E-1 Pricing

[EspKL]

I am currently an user of Olympus E-300 and recently found that the pricing of E-1 has dropped a lot in several places.

Does anyone know what is the pricing of E-1 (body or kit) in bolehland ?

Thank you.:)

[cfw]

Saw 1 for RM5,999. I think it's in one of the camera shops, Shiong Lee i think, in 1 Utama. Hope this helps.

[thorrey]

wat about for 2nd hand (used) E1? anyone have the pricing?:)

[EspKL]

The price of E-1 has dropped a lot.
I've got a new body kit (with 1454) which is around RM4K plus.

tks.

[thorrey]

The price of E-1 has dropped a lot.
I've got a new body kit (with 1454) which is around RM4K plus.

tks.

Hi bro, where did u have the deal? :)

[teecy]

Saw E-1 with RM3800++ (body only) at Midvalley, the camera shop at the gound floor.

[teecy]

Saw E-1 with RM3800++ (body only) at Midvalley, the camera shop at the gound floor.

[ivanchong]

Saw E-1 with RM3800++ (body only) at Midvalley, the camera shop at the gound floor.

FOTOKEM?

[diamond]

Is it worthwhile to get the E-1 as compared to a 350d?

I mean, during it's heyday ,E1 was the top of hte range Pro SLR. Now after a while it;s costing as much as the canon entry level 350d :)

[ivanchong]

Is it worthwhile to get the E-1 as compared to a 350d?

I mean, during it's heyday ,E1 was the top of hte range Pro SLR. Now after a while it;s costing as much as the canon entry level 350d :)

My personal 2 cents, may not be as accurate as pros :)
if u cosider head to head (with kit lens and standard package) E1 vs 350D, yes its more worth it, provided you dont usually do cropping after your shots as E1 is only 5MP.

Of I am not mistaken the kit lens of 14-54 f2.8 is better than the 350D's kit
lens, cant recall what the kit lens spec.

If you dont really plan to have a wide collection of lenses then its ok to go with E1, but if you like to collect lens then i will suggest 350D as Canon really has varieties of lenses and more easily availible as it seems that it is kind of hard to get 3/4 mounts lens here.

Personally i will go for E1 if compared, i like its build quality weather & dust proof. :)

Once again, i stress that this is my 2 cents, i am not sure its actually accurate of not as i still have yet to have such a in-depth knowledge on cameras especially dSLR, still learning. Hope it helps :) cheers.

[keelin]

Found brand new E-1 with kit selling @ RM4,800, worth?

[mlee8088]

Found brand new E-1 with kit selling @ RM4,800, worth?


FYI, I get my brand new E1 set from Cameta Camera from US.

USD599, E1 + 14-54mm
USD599, E1 + SHLD-2.

If u have connection/lobang, it is cheaper to buy from US.

Canon malaysia is clearing stock. 350d with 18-55mm + 90-300mm + 1GB CF is sold for RM2,900.

[keelin]

Wow! USD600 is just close to RM2300 which really value for $ :055:

[zepirate]

Is it worthwhile to get the E-1 as compared to a 350d?

I mean, during it's heyday ,E1 was the top of hte range Pro SLR. Now after a while it;s costing as much as the canon entry level 350d :)

Do keep in mind that the E1 is said to have a shutter lifespan of 150,000 clicks as compared to the 350D which is probably only around 50,000?

[mlee8088]

Wow! USD600 is just close to RM2300 which really value for $ :055:

hi keelin, I used to have the same gear as your, D70 + 18-200mm.

After a recent trip to chiang mai to shot the songkra festival..I sold off all N system...and since then, I have E1 and 2 Zuiko lenses..that made my gear weather shield.

E1 from Cameta is really a steal. Try to get help from US to get a set of E1. U will not regret !!

[keelin]

mlee, I try to search E-1 @ BHPhoto unfortunately can't find any E-1 available.

Besides PHPhoto, any US online store do shipping to Malaysia?

[mlee8088]

mlee, I try to search E-1 @ BHPhoto unfortunately can't find any E-1 available.

Besides PHPhoto, any US online store do shipping to Malaysia?

B&H do not have E1. Only available at Cameta (http://stores.ebay.com/Cameta-Camera)

U can either bid, or hit the buy price. Buy price for E1 + SHLD-2 @ USD599.

However, they dun accept paypal nor credit card issued in malaysia, singapore, indonesida.

I asked my friend in US to call them to deal over the phone. Cameta shipped to US address via UPS, and my friend ship to me to malaysia via US parcel post (national postage company, something like POS Laju)

U may for example, ask your friends/relatives from other countries (besides of MY, SG, IND) to buy for u and ship to u.

Good Luck on your hunt.

[ykkok]

E-1 is a higher level cam compared to 350D. Please bear in mind E-1 is designed for Pro as it has only 4 shooting modes - A, S, P & M.

Even the White Balance is expressed in terms of plain kelvin, like 5600 etc. No Icon like Sun, Clouds and stuffs like that.

It's not designed for beginners in mind. With magnesium body, weather sealed and no internal flash, this definately is not meant for entry levels.

But due to its age and pixel race, it's 5MP may be too few to many.

Personally, I find sensitive pixels with greater dynamic range is also important.

I don't like to collect many many lenses, especially expensive ones. I prefer to use them as frequently as possible, not sitting in the dry box and pondering which few lens to bring before each photography session. Also, I don't really fancy a lot of choices of 3rd party lens, buy-sell-buy-sell, and ultimately end up with original lens for quality sake, wasting time and effort that could be more useful spent on taking pictures.

Just check and see how many users drool for 'L' red-ring lenses and "gold ring" lenses on other system.

To many Olympus users, those original lenses are so affordable and optically superb - why go 3rd party?

[keelin]

B&H do not have E1. Only available at Cameta

Ya, I just spoted CAMETA;
I may ask my friend who working in US to buy this for me :)

mlee,

Mind to share what's the biggest motive drive you to Olympus E-1?

[mlee8088]

Mind to share what's the biggest motive drive you to Olympus E-1?

I was all the while Nikon fans..had just recently switched to Olympus..
u may read more in detail under my thread "why u switch to Olympus?"

In a nutshell, I could make it 4-5 reasons.

1) I like travelling photographing. and travel quite a lot. There was once I went to HK, drizzling almost everyday when I was there. Keep my DSLR away. And I went to Chiang mai to shot Songkra Festival..at the end..did not get many shots. I have 18-200mm mounted on my camera (send for servicing before going on the trip). Without changing lens at all..my CCD kena dust by zoom in/out 18-200mm. I NEED A WEATHER SHEILD BODY/LENS.

2) Optical quaility of Zuiko lens that could match Nikon lens quality, are mostly cheaper.

3) I know E1 noise level is high. But u must not look at the pic on the LCD/Monitor. U must appreciate the PHOTO from the print. Indeed the colour from print out look more lively (more film alike feeling) than my previously owned DSLR.

4) E1 white balance and colour reproduction is very accurate and much better than my previously owned camera. I now have to spend less time in front of LCD/Monitor to adjust the colour.

5) I sold my D50 and 18-200mm to get a E1 + 50-200mm. Why not..?

[simedarby]

Weatherproof may be the only thing about E1 has of today technology.
Oly mju digital may also meet your need. Color also nicely saturated. Small and light, pocket also can go it. perfect for travel. no need use DSLR also can... just my opinion only lar... hahaha :laugh:

i haven't go to desert la (like E1 advertisement) and i don't think i want to be there... but i have travel so many countries including camping in jungle and experience rain, mud, humid and harsh sunlight, sand storm in beijing and snow... my current 7D still fine and click like new... :) i don't know what's the standard of weather proof.. i know water proof la... but definately no DSLR is waterproof today... may be E1 is designed for army use lor. US army like to go war in desert. :laugh:

[Initiald]

i know water proof la... but definately no DSLR is waterproof today... may be E1 is designed for army use lor. US army like to go war in desert. :laugh:

To my knowledge, the Canon 1Ds series bodies (not too sure about 1D series) are waterproof. The Nikon D2 series are weatherproof. :034:

[simedarby]

To my knowledge, the Canon 1Ds series bodies (not too sure about 1D series) are waterproof. The Nikon D2 series are weatherproof. :034:

where got waterproof 1D??:huh: .. otherwise no need underwater casing already.. haha.. for normal rain and water splash, water resistant only... like hand watch

[Initiald]

where got waterproof 1D??:huh: .. otherwise no need underwater casing already.. haha.. for normal rain and water splash, water resistant only... like hand watch

Sorry. My apologies for the misleading term used. You are correct. Trying to do some promo for Canon when the Nikon Pimp is not around. :laugh: (j/k)

[mlee8088]

My apologies for the misleading term used. You are correct. Trying to do some promo for Canon when the Nikon Pimp is not around. :laugh: (j/k)

The funnies thing is that some canon/nikon user all come into "E1 pricing ?"
thread.

[mlee8088]

To my knowledge, the Canon 1Ds series bodies (not too sure about 1D series) are waterproof. The Nikon D2 series are weatherproof. :034:

Talk is easy. Action speaks.

Anyone who has any Canon 1Ds series camera, voluntary to verify this statement ? Drop your 1Ds camera to swimming pool. Take it up after 2 hours.

If it is still working, then it is water proof.


D2 series is weather proof..?? any one care to quote from Nikon page..to officially announced that D2 is weather proof camera..?

[ykkok]

Weatherproof may be the only thing about E1 has of today technology.
Oly mju digital may also meet your need. Color also nicely saturated. Small and light, pocket also can go it. perfect for travel. no need use DSLR also can... just my opinion only lar... hahaha :laugh:

i haven't go to desert la (like E1 advertisement) and i don't think i want to be there... but i have travel so many countries including camping in jungle and experience rain, mud, humid and harsh sunlight, sand storm in beijing and snow... my current 7D still fine and click like new... :) i don't know what's the standard of weather proof.. i know water proof la... but definately no DSLR is waterproof today... may be E1 is designed for army use lor. US army like to go war in desert. :laugh:
Not, just that... the body is only part of it. But I know my lenses are ALL weather and dust proof.

Lenses are heavier investment than the body. So what, the body is expensive today, but tomorrow, the bodies will be obsolete.

E-1 can be washed under running tap water. Is that important? No, but can shoot "in" the crowd of water festival. Yes.

But if we compare with PnS, so, what's the point of buying 7D? KM has small digicam with Anti-shake too. And no lens change, so dust proof.

Why are people carrying Kgs of lenses but the FZ-20 gives you 400mm f2.8 constant with OIS?

18-200 at 300mm equivalent in f5.6 ISO 800, vs FZ-20 at 300mm in f2.8, ISO 200, for the same exposure at same shutter speed, who needs ISO 800 on FZ-20?

Smaller cameras are very powerful, and don't underestimate them. It's not always the DSLR world. DSLR only gives you more options to expand, especially swapping lenses for the most optimised condition. If I were to get ultra zoom lens , and 1 lens for all, I would get FZ-30 instead of my E-330.

If I were to minimise lens change I would not be getting DSLR with "Interchangeable Lens" system.

SLR is to achieve what you see is what you get during composition.

A PnS digicam is already = what you see is what you get during composition, so why do we need DSLR?

WB and Exposure are the 2 things that you CAN'T get "what you see is what you get in DSLR" before snapping, but a PnS can!

Ponder on this if we are to compare PnS and DSLR....

[simedarby]

Smaller cameras are very powerful, and don't underestimate them. It's not always the DSLR world. DSLR only gives you more options to expand, especially swapping lenses for the most optimised condition. If I were to get ultra zoom lens , and 1 lens for all, I would get FZ-30 instead of my E-330.

You are right on the spot. if you do not need high ISO, clean image, fast response speed, and wide angle, the ultra zoom compact camera will do the job.

Hence, where's the value of Oly DSLR? Only the 4/3 system? I believe we are missing the point of using DSLR. :dry:

[ykkok]

You are right on the spot. if you do not need high ISO, clean image, fast response speed, and wide angle, the ultra zoom compact camera will do the job.

Hence, where's the value of Oly DSLR? Only the 4/3 system? I believe we are missing the point of using DSLR. :dry:
Haha... I am not the one that starts comparing or subsituting PnS and DSLR, you did in your previous post, on the mju system.

Again, you have not understand that is not that I don't need high-ISO, is the system don't need it.

FZ-30 is very fast in terms of focusing and shutter lag. Overall responsiveness is also good.

How much cleaner is D2X's ISO800 as compared to FZ-20's ISO200 if I use the same example from my post above? Not very much apart I would say.

Why I trade up my FZ-20 for E-330? Change lens for my best shots. I like portraits and macro. My 50mm f2.0 allows me to get nice portraits at f2.0 and I change lenses like nobody's business without worrying about dusts.

I bring around all my lenses most of the time during photo outtings. I don't need to hide under plastics or bag during lens change, no need for ultra-wide-zoom to minimize lens change.

I get all Zuiko lenses, no 3rd party and buy-sell-buy-sell. No intention to sell any one, because each glass is so good.

I use my E-330 worry free like my FZ-20. Very little maintenance. Most importantly, get to learn a lot on photography topics, especially technical things like this.

Most importantly, the system work for me, not the other way round. I don't need routine service centre visit. I want to make sure I carry the camera, not dragging them along.

It's a system that balance quality and size, closely resembling PnS but with superior expansion capability to match if not exceeding other system.

Why must everyone get the most superior quality? If you are to get a video camera one day, will consider shoulder-mount type? Because they are and looks pro. They give you TV3 quality. Since we all want to get professional level of gears and performance on photography world, so should every video fan also try to purchase those? It's simply not practical and not for everyone.

[thorrey]

Erm..was read some info about the wheather proof try..
Raining test:
http://eco.goo.ne.jp/nature/unno/diary/image/200405/1084091702.jpg

Dust test:
http://members.aol.com/testolyoli/private/01.jpg

-36c test: (Not really sure about this..cozs i got friend try b4..the battery life very short under low temperature)
http://yashinomi.cocolog-nifty.com/photo/cimg0008.JPG

For myself...i not dare to try out those yet...but the cam was function once under the heavy rain. Everything so far still fine..:)
E1 is not a waterproof camera, pls dun drop it into water..thanks.

[ykkok]

Thanks for the pictures!

Hey the one cover with dust is 150mm f2.0 !

300mm equivalent and super fast f2.0 at that size!

[simedarby]

Again, you have not understand that is not that I don't need high-ISO, is the system don't need it.

Now you are saying that you need high-ISO, but with the Oly system, you can handle low light or telephoto well with ISO400?

tell me, if given low light situation which is commonly encounter, if i shoot 300mm at in 1/125, ISO1600 with VR/IS/AS on C/N or S camera, what setting do you think the Oly aperture/speed/ISO equivalent to the above to get sharp photo? I have the answer. PM me if you need to know, and i'll let you know the limitation of without IS/VR, high ISO and low noise capability. No need to state it open here, otherwise some Oly hardcore fan may be offended... :dry:

i think you better go back to Oly Q&A website and search for the purpose of 4/3 system.

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Q&A: from Oly website:

E-System provides professional photographers with powerful advantages in terms of edge-to-edge image quality, durability, speed, and camera and lens size. The E-1 delivers the highest dynamic range, lowest noise levels and best color of any mobile professional camera.

TruePicTM Technology to achieve the highest image quality and most realistic digital photographs. Newly-developed Noise Filter technology and the existing Noise Reduction technology produce clear, clean files.

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Truely, until today, Oly has not fully exploit the technology of 4/3 system. their low noise level stated above may refer to DSLR vs Prosumer vs P&S, but not Oly vs C vs N vs S. In lens comparison, some oly lens may have 1 stop faster due to smaller size, lesser glass. but overall IS/VR/AS + high ISO capability combine will have at least 5 stop faster than Oly system in any given situation. No matter how you compare, this is the fact. i rest my case if you still insist DSLR do not need to go high ISO, then stick with P&S and prosumer if you dont see the need for DSLR, or just purely upgrade to DSLR for a simple reason: faster respond, nothing else... :dry:

[simedarby]

300mm equivalent and super fast f2.0 at that size!

Did you ever shoot tele 300mm at F2.0? the DOF is thin that partially of your object will be out of focus and ruin your image. Ask those wild life photographer, ask them why they don't shoot at F2.8 even if the lens is capable of doing so.

It will be great if there's 300mm F1.0 lens available, but it is not going to be useful in practical and real life situation. Read more Practical Photography magazine from UK, a lot of practical tips inside :)

[ykkok]

Did you ever shoot tele 300mm at F2.0? the DOF is thin that partially of your object will be out of focus and ruin your image. Ask those wild life photographer, ask them why they don't shoot at F2.8 even if the lens is capable of doing so.

It will be great if there's 300mm F1.0 lens available, but it is not going to be useful in practical and real life situation. Read more Practical Photography magazine from UK, a lot of practical tips inside :)
So, now I understand that you are still unclear.

600mm f2.8 is very thin correct , but we are talking about 300mm f2.8 on Zuiko!

Olympus user can use 300mm f2.8 to get 600mm f4.0 equivalent in terms of zoom and DOF "thickness".
See the size and weight reduction!

God! How can I explain this better....

Say you use 600mm f5.6, ISO 1600, 1/500

Olympus 300mm f4, ISO 800, 1/500.

Same isn't it? So, this is what I mean by the system doesn't need high ISO in such situation.

[ykkok]

Now you are saying that you need high-ISO, but with the Oly system, you can handle low light or telephoto well with ISO400?

tell me, if given low light situation which is commonly encounter, if i shoot 300mm at in 1/125, ISO1600 with VR/IS/AS on C/N or S camera, what setting do you think the Oly aperture/speed/ISO equivalent to the above to get sharp photo? I have the answer. PM me if you need to know, and i'll let you know the limitation of without IS/VR, high ISO and low noise capability. No need to state it open here, otherwise some Oly hardcore fan may be offended... :dry:

i think you better go back to Oly Q&A website and search for the purpose of 4/3 system.

===============
Q&A: from Oly website:

E-System provides professional photographers with powerful advantages in terms of edge-to-edge image quality, durability, speed, and camera and lens size. The E-1 delivers the highest dynamic range, lowest noise levels and best color of any mobile professional camera.

TruePicTM Technology to achieve the highest image quality and most realistic digital photographs. Newly-developed Noise Filter technology and the existing Noise Reduction technology produce clear, clean files.

===============

Truely, until today, Oly has not fully exploit the technology of 4/3 system. their low noise level stated above may refer to DSLR vs Prosumer vs P&S, but not Oly vs C vs N vs S. In lens comparison, some oly lens may have 1 stop faster due to smaller size, lesser glass. but overall IS/VR/AS + high ISO capability combine will have at least 5 stop faster than Oly system in any given situation. No matter how you compare, this is the fact. i rest my case if you still insist DSLR do not need to go high ISO, then stick with P&S and prosumer if you dont see the need for DSLR, or just purely upgrade to DSLR for a simple reason: faster respond, nothing else... :dry:
Those condition you specified is insufficient for me to evaluate. It's not sensible enough.

No lens, aperture specified how to evaluate?

Even if I need to answer, okay, 150mm f2.0 lens (300mm equiv), same ISO 1600, but then my shutter is 1/250 (double of yours).

300mm at 1/250 close enough?

Olympus QnA? I help Olympus Singapore usergroup to answer many QnA do I need those?

Now, let me ask you this:

Try freezing the roller coaster at night in Genting, handheld with VR with 1/20 shutter speed irregardless of aperture and focal length.
Give me sharp and frozen roller coaster.

Shoot F-1 with 1/50s irregardless of aperture and give me frozen cars.

No way, even if you have super VR III or IV. The only solution : higher shutter speed by using a faster lens or pumping ISO high-high.

[ImAn]

look like simedarby hate Olympus so much... cool down dewdd!!!

[wkcheang]

Did you ever shoot tele 300mm at F2.0? the DOF is thin that partially of your object will be out of focus and ruin your image. Ask those wild life photographer, ask them why they don't shoot at F2.8 even if the lens is capable of doing so.

It will be great if there's 300mm F1.0 lens available, but it is not going to be useful in practical and real life situation. Read more Practical Photography magazine from UK, a lot of practical tips inside :)

Indeed, noone shoots at 300mm wide open. But I doubt you can find a lens with this FOV and aperture for your system for that amount of weight. The advantage here is the portability, the body AF performance improvement with a fast lens and most importantly, its a darned fast lens for a 600mm 135 equiv FOV.

With regards to the E-1, I think Olympus themselves obviously knows that its high time for a new model. Perhaps during Photokina later this year we might see something interesting. But as long as the E-1 user knows the limitations of the body, its a just as usable as any other SLR.

[ykkok]

Indeed, noone shoots at 300mm wide open. But I doubt you can find a lens with this FOV and aperture for your system for that amount of weight. The advantage here is the portability, the body AF performance improvement with a fast lens and most importantly, its a darned fast lens for a 600mm 135 equiv FOV.

With regards to the E-1, I think Olympus themselves obviously knows that its high time for a new model. Perhaps during Photokina later this year we might see something interesting. But as long as the E-1 user knows the limitations of the body, its a just as usable as any other SLR.
Yes, while many compare FOV equivalent, very few really look into DOF equivalent.

300mm f2.8 on 4/3 should roughly give same FOV and DOF on a 600mm f4 in 35mm format.

While many agrees that an E-1 replacement is necessary, but the above won't change if the newer bodies maintains the same 4/3 sensor, be it with more focusing points, faster AF, higher MP etc.

[simedarby]

Even if I need to answer, okay, 150mm f2.0 lens (300mm equiv), same ISO 1600, but then my shutter is 1/250 (double of yours).



Now you got my point. By the time u shoot ISO1600, your photo are basically unusable, even if it wide open at F2.0.
Remember your shuttler speed is not double, because you have fact in IS/VR/AS which is 2.5 to 3 stop faster.

Oly DSLR correct setting to get usable photo equivalent to my exposure:
ISO400, 1/60s F2@300mm, remember, handheld.

see how many photo you can get, consider a static object.
ask your friend who own a Nikon/Canon/Sony/KM system, experienment this exposure setting. I shot side-by-side with a Oly professional, that's how i got this exposure and histogram as equivalent to mine.

[ykkok]

Now you got my point. By the time u shoot ISO1600, your photo are basically unusable, even if it wide open at F2.0.
Remember your shuttler speed is not double, because you have fact in IS/VR/AS which is 2.5 to 3 stop faster.

Oly DSLR correct setting to get usable photo equivalent to my exposure:
ISO400, 1/60s F2@300mm, remember, handheld.

see how many photo you can get, consider a static object.
ask your friend who own a Nikon/Canon/Sony/KM system, experienment this exposure setting. I shot side-by-side with a Oly friend, that's how i got this exposure and histogram as equivalent to mine.
Unusable? But again, I rarely shoot in ISO 1600 because of my faster lens, I already told you.

Many use super high ISO because they use slow lens, like 4.5, 5.6 or 6.3 etc.

E-330 ISO 1600 is perfectly usable, but still only less than 5% of my shots is in ISO 1600.

High ISO pictures lacks in terms of contrasts, I don't really like it.

I left out one of your question, 300mm f2.0. Yes, I did, but I used 150mm f2.0. There's no 300mm f2.0 Zuiko lens.
150mm f2.0 is definately not as thin as 300mm f2.0 on 35mm format system.

I merely use 150mm f2.0 to "see" at 300mm equivalent, while still maintaining 150mm f2.0 "thickness" (DOF).

Hope you got it this time.

[simedarby]

With regards to the E-1, I think Olympus themselves obviously knows that its high time for a new model. Perhaps during Photokina later this year we might see something interesting. But as long as the E-1 user knows the limitations of the body, its a just as usable as any other SLR.
Oly rely on Panasonic to launch rather they do it by themselves. Their focus is only on entry level.

[simedarby]

Unusable? But again, I rarely shoot in ISO 1600 because of my faster lens, I already told you.

Many use super high ISO because they use slow lens, like 4.5, 5.6 or 6.3 etc.

E-330 ISO 1600 is perfectly usable, but still only less than 5% of my shots is in ISO 1600.

High ISO pictures lacks in terms of contrasts, I don't really like it.

As i already mentioned, no matter how you compare, your F2.0 is one stop faster than F2.8. With IS/VR/AS, and high ISO, other brand still 5 times faster than what oly is capable at the low light or tele situation. How many Oly lens is F2.0, anyway?! it is a limitation which is well recognize. U in Oly family, u don't even recognize this weakness, and need a outsider to tell you? :laugh: too late lar.. u already buy..

[Blu-By-U]

... it is a limitation which is well recognize. U in Oly family, u don't even recognize this weakness,.....
On the contrary, blu can say, most of us know but we do not see it as a weakness.

[ykkok]

Why do I have to admit Olympus weakness, everybody knows. But very few people "understand" (not "know") it's strength. Stength of the 4/3 system.

5 times faster as in what? AF, lens speed? ISO range? You are misleading many readers this way.

Why need so many lens if they overlap?

Like 50mm f1.4, 50mm f1.8. 85mm f1.8, 85mm f1.4?
Macro 60mm f2.8, macro 105mm f2.8?

The only f2.0 lens I have it's the Zuiko 50mm f2.0 which serves as a 100mm equiv. portrait and macro at f2.0.
Do you know how small is this lens? It's almost the size of the common 50mm f1.8 lens, but perform like a Tamron 90mm f2.8 which is so much bigger.

4/3 system is NOT equal to Olympus E-1. It's not about a body or two.
Panasonic L-1 is also a 4/3 system.

4/3 system is not only about bodies and technologies.

How can a system w/o limitation, you must be kidding.

[NikonK]

i like the 150 f2, 1.550g, USD 2199.95.. if pana or oly come out a better body, i will buy :055:

[simedarby]

Why do I have to admit Olympus weakness, everybody knows. But very few people "understand" (not "know") it's strength. Stength of the 4/3 system.

5 times faster as in what? AF, lens speed? ISO range? You are misleading many readers this way.

Why need so many lens if they overlap?

Like 50mm f1.4, 50mm f1.8. 85mm f1.8, 85mm f1.4?
Macro 60mm f2.8, macro 105mm f2.8?

The only f2.0 lens I have it's the Zuiko 50mm f2.0 which serves as a 100mm equiv. portrait and macro at f2.0.
Do you know how small is this lens? It's almost the size of the common 50mm f1.8 lens, but perform like a Tamron 90mm f2.8 which is so much bigger.

4/3 system is NOT equal to Olympus E-1. It's not about a body or two.
Panasonic L-1 is also a 4/3 system.

4/3 system is not only about bodies and technologies.

How can a system w/o limitation, you must be kidding.

different lens have different price for different categories. ppl can have a wider choice on which lens to buy, not necesaary owning all of them ma.. Why don' u look back why Oly provide different type of lens, also overlap what...

5 times faster in term of equivalanet quality, ISO1600 is 2 stop faster than Oly ISO400, VR/IS/AS is minimum 2.5-3 stop faster. there u go, 5 stop faster at any given condition if you shoot static object.

Like previous example, i can shoot at ISO1600 300MM at 1/125s. U can only shoot at 1/60s, even at wide open and can't guarantee good success rate of sharp image. So, still don't admit 5 times faster? :laugh: admit lar... hai... nothing to discuss, it is all fact.

[simedarby]

i like the 150 f2, 1.550g, USD 2199.95.. if pana or oly come out a better body, i will buy :055:

bingo! good lens but bad body.. who say outsider don't know about Oly system? perhaps looks more like some Oly user need to study the outside world a little bit more.. :laugh:

[simedarby]

On the contrary, blu can say, most of us know but we do not see it as a weakness.

the other word, the minority think it is not a weakness but majority think yes. How oly become successful lar like dat... be a King alone on an island..

[ykkok]

the other word, the minority think it is not a weakness but majority think yes. How oly become successful lar like dat... be a King alone on an island..

So, majority means good? Is that how you define?

What majority of the people wants?

Light, fast, noiseless, cheap, pro, small, VR.
That's what majority people want.

But most other system users just can't let Olympus system have some good.

Olympus embark on 4/3 system. 4/3 is not an Olympus system.

A camera body is not equals to system.

I almost bought a KM 7D when they launched, but looking at the lens line-up, I dropped the idea. 17-35 f2.8-4 simply is not versatile enough for me.

Most KM lenses (at that time) wasn't designed for APS-C.

Same here, Superior body but lack of lens, hence is not an attractive system to me.

Looking at Nikon, it has only a handful of DX lenses. I just can't go with D70 and 24-120mm VR lens. 36mm equivalent wasn't what I want. 18-70 is a good lens, but none of my friend keep that. Many of them went with Sigma 18-50 f2.8 and some go for 18-200 DX.

Many have legacy lenses, so naturally they will go for the same brand to re-use back those lenses. But to me, and many others who start from scratch, why buy legacy glasses?

Many who bought Nikkor 17-35 f2.8 were shocked when 17-55 DX f2.8 came out. Same price but longer reach, both with 'gold-ring' !

Those with 17-55 DX f2.8 pray that the next Nikon body will not be 35mm full frame, other wise.

The discussion here is more on format and lenses rather that technological stuffs.

Please don't keep pressing on how inferior is E-1 vs 5D or D200.

To DSLR users, lenses of the system is very important. This is what you will spend most of your money, time and effort to use, carry and maintaining them. They are keepers.

simedarby, so which KM lenses are u using?

17-35 f2.8-4
24-105 f3.5-4.5

or DT lenses? Like

11-18 f4.5-5.6
18-70 f3.5-5.6
18-200 f3.5-6.3

KM has only 3 DT lenses, they rests are legacy film lenses, if I am not wrong. Let's home with the Sony merger, there will be more digital APS-C specific lenses for KMS cameras.

But isn't KM like Olympus, the minority according to your saying, before the merging?

[simedarby]

Light, fast, noiseless, cheap, pro, small, VR.
That's what majority people want.


Nope, wrong. May i ask is this your assumption or did you get the data from some research companies? Light and small is not what *Most* ppl want. U go ask Canon camp, why they choose pro-body like 30D over light plastic Canon 350D. Why ppl continue to ask for battery grip, not because of light, because of stability and functionality.

I know Oly camp like lightweight, fast, there's the strength of Oly, but that somehow doesn't turn into photo quality due to poorly design body and sensor, and seldom get attraction to serious photographers. May be only use for family snapshot and travel.

But most other system users just can't let Olympus system have some good.

Nope, you are wrong. If a product has weakness which do not accept by the majority, it has accept the fact of weakness and improve on it or it never get public acceptance or it may even go down in a drain. Other way, it may search merger, get strong financial support and improve on the R&D, marketing. Otherwise, it will be like Contax, close door.


I almost bought a KM 7D when they launched, but looking at the lens line-up, I dropped the idea. 17-35 f2.8-4 simply is not versatile enough for me.

Most KM lenses (at that time) wasn't designed for APS-C.

Same here, Superior body but lack of lens, hence is not an attractive system to me.

Again, wrong.
looks like you have very minimal knowledge on other manufacturer lens..
i have 18-50 F2.8, 80-200 F2.8, 100mm F2.8 Macro, 28-75mm F2.8, 50mm F1.7. mostly 2nd hand product. I'm not brand conscious, and i use lens from Tokina, Sigma, KM. So, what... lack of lens? think again...

Lack of lens is a very lame excuse. In any time KM/Sony has more lens than Oly. Not to mention there are >30 lens supported by Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and other smaller lens manufacturers. Tell me, how many lens Oly has, include 3rd party support? :laugh:

Make sure you don't eat your own word lar.. study before you keep on giving false information. If u say lack of lens defer u from KM, then u better go to Canon camp lar.. why come to Oly... :laugh:

Many have legacy lenses, so naturally they will go for the same brand to re-use back those lenses. But to me, and many others who start from scratch, why buy legacy glasses?


why legacy lens not good? U think Carl Zeiss lens is not good? you think Contax lens is not good? U think Canon 80-200mm USM L lens is not good? Think again before you answer this time. :laugh:


Many who bought Nikkor 17-35 f2.8 were shocked when 17-55 DX f2.8 came out. Same price but longer reach, both with 'gold-ring' !

Those with 17-55 DX f2.8 pray that the next Nikon body will not be 35mm full frame, other wise.

Wrong. 17-35 F2.8-F4 is non-replaceable. U don't really know why ppl by 17-35 F2.8-F4, do you? i believe you don't. Go ask Mr. Chien, he'll tell you the fact.


To DSLR users, lenses of the system is very important. This is what you will spend most of your money, time and effort to use, carry and maintaining them. They are keepers.

Now you are making some sense here. :laugh:
but...
what do you think that 4/3 will be here for next 5 or 10 years? It may be still there, it may not. Oly don't guarantee that, as far as i know. Same as Nikkor, no guarantee it will be forever 1.5X, there's law of physic and to some extend they may move to Full frame. 4/3 has it's own limitation and it depend on how Oly want to deal with it. They are placing a very big chip on the table for 4/3, it is a advanturous but risky move. Either they make it, or they fail.


KM has only 3 DT lenses, they rests are legacy film lenses, if I am not wrong. Let's home with the Sony merger, there will be more digital APS-C specific lenses for KMS cameras.

There will be no Sony APS-C new lens in near future. all will be legacy lens. I know the Sony CCD technology trend, full frame is coming. 1.5X will continue to serve the entry level until 2008.


But isn't KM like Olympus, the minority according to your saying, before the merging?

Oh .. no... wrong again. KM use Sony CCD, just like Nikon. Where's the minority come from? :laugh: May be u r looking within Malaysia and Singapore lar who think car only make by Honda/Toyota and no other brand... haha.. if you ever land in HK, Taiwan or even China, you'll be surprise to see KM all round the corner.. haha.. not to mention world wide population of KM SLR user is more than 1 Million with 2.5 Million lens sold worldwide since 1980s. Surprise?!

Oly is minority because of the 4/3 system. For example, the standalone E1 product has no migration. It has so many uncertainty which most ppl are not willing to place their long term investment in the system, especially if you are at serious photography or professional level.

I opt for KM at that time because it has more functions than more expensive body in other camp. Mirror-Lock up, AS on almost all Lens, the quick access button, Hi-Lo dynamic range, high ISO low noise, DMF just to name a few, make it so much affortable and features rich platform. The cost of ownership is so much lower compare to IS/VR lens in other camp. Sony see this huge potential and buy KM, which is a good move and now we will see more publicity of Sony Alpha than KM in the past. It force Nikon D70 and Canon 350 to cut price recently, now all under RM3K!! good news yeah! Sony definately has the marketing and financial capability to make it big and competitive worldwide, and head on to the big guy. I hope Panasonic will do something like this with Oly. At the end, we all benefit of cheaper product, and better product. :023:

[myBest]

Why E1 pricing thread has turned into a battle ground?

why legacy lens not good? U think Carl Zeiss lens is not good? you think Contax lens is not good? U think Canon 80-200mm USM L lens is not good? Think again before you answer this time. :laugh:

By the way, never heard of Contax lens... Zeiss lens yes.:laugh: :055:

Just stay cool man.

[ykkok]

Cool down Simedarby, your anger show when you use the laughing emoticons.

If Minolta is so successfull it wouldn't have merged with Konica, and now to Sony. Did Minolta spent too much on R&D and resulted this?

Legacy lenses is no good not only limited to optical quality but in terms of format compatibility.

A Nikon 17-35 f2.8 super wide lens on film body suddenly becomes 27-55mm f2.8 on D70.

Yes, optically 17-35mm is said to be more superior than 17-55 f2.8, but now the poor D70 users need to purchase additional 12-24mm just to get back the same superwide. Is that consider bravo! Something that need to be cheered of?

I have old OM lens which is 28mm and can be mounted on my 4/3 with an adapter, but heck, it becomes 56mm cropped. It was good, but not practical anymore on my new body.

Why many people drool of gold ring lenses on Nikon, or "L" glass on Canon? They are good, yes, but many don't jump straight in, they purchase 3rd party lenses then slowly upgrade. Why so difficult? Ultimately you will be there, so might as well get the original?

Good is only = optics? Legacy lens is not good to my wallet!

Good and suitability is different.

Why Nikon phrased, "DX lens optimised for DX based cameras?"

Do you know Canon 16-35 on film and on 5D produces different quality due to film and sensor differences? Why? Lenses made for film, especially wide is not going to perform equally well on digital. Even Nikon mentioned something about that in their lens brochure.

With so many lenses around do you really use them?

You have 18-50mm f2.8 and 28-75mm f2.8, so when do you use which? Or your 28-75 f2.8 is for film body? Standby for full frame?

Talking about sensor, do you know Canon camcorders also uses Sony's sensor? What is the largest video camera sensors? What is the problem with Sony's sensors? While I am not a sensor enginneer, simple things like that I still know lar.

Oh.. Sony not launching new CZ lens for A-100, did I hear wrongly? I think I saw that in Sony Gallery "Coming Soon" ?

How many DT lens does KM now offer?

There's no right or wrong. See whether you want to take it or leave, or compromise a little hear and there.

Data? Need to say more? Just ask around your friends or neighbours and see why 18-200, 18-135 is selling like hotcakes. People simply prefer lighter and lesser gears when they travel.

Everyone wants to look pro initially and not everyone can be one. After sometime, those big-big and heavy stuffs will be left alone at home. Don't ask me for evidence, me and my friends are few of them. I sold my E-300 battery grip after 2 times of usage. Too huge to put into my slim SideShooter bag. It pays to look like Pro.

I have already mentioned many times, I go Olympus system not because "wah they have so many lenses" but rather straight forward, one format - 4/3.

Canon? EF and EF-S nightmare? Nikon DX and non-DX decision?

Spare me, I don't need many lenses, but good and practical ones. I think the whole world knows:

Olympus 4/3 has the fewest lenses but
Olmpus 4/3 has the most digital format lenses.

Are you saying Nikkor 17-35 f2.8 or KM 17-35 f2.8-4.0?

Nikkor doesn't have 17-35 f2.8-4.0, that's KM's.

5 to 10 years? Even if they are not hear I can still shoot right? If I print 8R now, after 5 years I still print 8R, don't tell me my printing need to be increased to 30R when the Megapixel increases, if they are still around.

Olympus 4/3 is a single format. All it's current lenses are designed for 4/3 format. If they release a 35mm full frame, all lenses cannot be used. They must release a new format.

You have valid points on the Pro of KM camera. I never denied that in th 1st place, if not I wouldn't have considered that in the 1st place. But it just that you and I place emphasis on different things. When it comes to the lens part, I couldn't force myself. To me, the issue outweight the pro that the body provides.

[simedarby]

ykkok.. no hard feeling ok... i don't think u understand me well. :laugh:
To ppl who know me, they know i can be very frank and very neutral.

Every time i read your sentence i have to laugh.. really... when i get angry, i'll show a angry sign for sure.

and when i think back of the thing i wrote here, i'm given you FOC knowledge, but somehow your ear got stuck and never want to accept the fact... again, i laugh... :laugh:

and then, you tell me no need high ISO, no point using IS/VR/AS, lightweight is better i laugh again.. it should how naive and limited knowledge some ppl has towards DSLR technology... i'm not walking dictionary, but at least from conversation i know i can share more than you do.

and then, it come back to me, think back of Prosumer and P&S, isn't it all the same sign of usage of what you need? then i laugh.. why you choose DSLR if FZ30 meet your needs..

after awhile, i couldn't stop laughing while you keep me entertain for the day.. hahah..
because i have so much time to spare on writing and writing.. and it really help to accupy me so happen that i'm so free today, finally there are some Oly hard core fan depending their investment like 4/3 it will last forever... then i laugh again... until today still got ppl don't understand the bigger world of DSLR, trend, usage model and technology advancement... thanks for your entertainment, by the way.. :)

The more i share, the more it get "right ear in, left ear out". My humble advise to you is that, please read more, don't keep yourself in Oly world.. there are a lot more colourful land and we learn to appreciate each other, know each other strength and weakness, and most importantly, accept, and acknowledge them. Dont be shy afterall (oh, that's common problem of us Malaysian isn't it, afraid or shy to accept and acknowledge weakness).

With all word said, how you spend your investment is all really up to you. There's something call bad investment and good investment, it depend on risk and opportunity, and whoever can balance and seize more opportunity will have a better long term investment. nah.. don't quote me, i'm not saying you have invested in the wrong house... :laugh: again, i laugh.

[ykkok]

Hi simedarby, of coz left in and right out because you don't understand anymore.

PnS is indeed very superior in many areas but you start introducing that to someone first, not me.

I am not a Pro and not getting any benefit from defending or promoting Olympus.

Many things that I buy nowadays don't expect to last forever, especially electronics stuffs. 5 years is already good enough.

Frankly, I learnt nothing from you, besides:

VR allows you to shoot blur free
Olympus High ISO is worse than the rests.
Olynpus is doom, if no external help

But, I feel weird if you mentioned you need very high optical Quality by moving into DSLR, but how come you use 3rd party lenses?

Should should opt for KM 17-35 f2.8-4.0 or those white APO glasses.

Are you saying, with VR and Noise free images = high quality?

Why I move from FZ-20? Yes, I want top notch glasses that I can afford to carry and pay.

Anyway, I laugh too. Same to you, what you think of me.

Cheers!

[simedarby]

ai yah.. last time i entertaint you lar..sleepy already.. 2am u know.. haha.. FOC one, also may benefit and entertain other viewer ma!! haha :laugh:

Lesson 1: if u think third party dont have quality lens that match factory prime, then you are very very wrong, basically u haven't read enough. :laugh:

Lesson 2: If you think use Nikon body has to use Nikon lens, you are very very wrong. Wide choice of third party lens are be part of consideration. you think everyone rich like you mer, buy only factory prime lens... somemore dont have VR/IS/AS and lack of third party support... :laugh:

Lesson 3: Hehhe.. u know who make lens for KM and now Sony? try an effort to find out yourself, then you got the answer. Dont make me tell you this time, it's gonna charge RM100 per answer .. :laugh:

Lesson 4: Primes Factory lens doesnt guarantee better quality than third party lens. Go get yourself a MAPA lens magazine and start reading. If you say u invest in DSLR because of high quality lens, you are only half right. You need the body and image processing engine to produce the photo, it's useless to have top notch lens and a average body. Kodak who partner with Oly on 4/3 already quit DSLR market. Thank godness Panasonic come in and help up, otherwise your investment is "cooler than water". someone pay me RM100 please.. :laugh:

[ykkok]

Isn't sharing info in forums FOC? So you mean you are so good that at times, you charge?

Lesson 1:
Too common sense. Reading enough doens't mean understand enough.
I don't agree that 3rd party lens are all inferior, but I just don't get it why there's a lot of "Lust" on "L" and Nikon glasses out there? Are they reading not enough?

You may read a lot, but many things you don't understand either.

Lesson 2:
No, one can always mount 3rd party lenses like you. In fact many did initially, but slowly creeping into original lenses. That's what I learnt from them. They (not Oly users) advised - "don't waste money stepping up slowly, try getting the 1st party lens, so no regret later"

Confusing 3rd party supports? With so many similar lenses from Sigma, Tokina and Tamron? No thanks. I don't want to compare-buy-sell, and buy again.

Olympus 4/3 users can always go for Sigma alternatives, but with a crop factor in. Eg 18-50 , 55-200 etc. Because they are design for APS-C, crop to 4/3.

So your selling points is again in-camera VR/IS? Once again, yes it's important, but can you also tell me what VR/IS doesn't help?

Lesson 3:
I wouldn't want to bring this up but ... it's third party manufacturer. KM outsourced even before merging with Sony? So, why pay more just for the KM or Sony brand logo?

Lesson 4:
So, are you telling me Pensonic products is not always inferior to Panasonic? Yes, I agree, brand name is just a brand name. It doesn't mean quality. But the "Lust" of branded lenses are always there. I don't agree only with great gear you can take good photographs. But the Lust of human being is there to push this. The market is like that, and their marketing is aiming for that too. If some people's Lust is to get C or N with great glasses, then go ahead and purchase them.


You have already enlighthen that many 3rd party lenses are good enough, then my point is also the same:

Without VR/IS, super smooth high-ISO, many still can get good photographs.

VR/IS does not help in every situation.

I don't know whether my contribution to Olympus community here is useful, but for sure you didn't contribute anything useful to us here in this forum and thread, beside bashing about :

1. Noise
2. Non VR
3. No 3rd party support.
4. Oly is minority, KM (was) is not because it's now under Sony (brighter future?)

Thanks for writing so much, I seek for more experts opinion here.

But one thing for sure is, Olympus is still standing on it's own, until when, we don't know.

[EspKL]

OMG, i started this thread to enquire about the recent pricing of E-1 few months back and i never thought that it is now filled with Olympus bashing arguements .

As far as i am concerned, the objective of getting the E-1 had been met. For those who are interested to get an E-1 (if you are keen), you will most likely has to look beyond bolehland for better deal. I've got mine with a help of a friend overseas who purchase the item and send it to me. The build quality and user experience with E-1 is simply fantastic and sweet. The brand new kit set pricing is around RM4K or less by now.

For system admin, i think this thread objective had been met, i would request this to be locked if it continue to fill by meaningless arguements.

thanks and regards,

ESPKL.

[ykkok]

Appology to the topic starter, and may this thread RIP.