NSTP files defamation suits against two bloggers

[mac]

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/National/20070119093610/Article/local1_html

what do u think?

[eugene]

On the sad side, Malaysia is turning into a media controlled society..

On the bright side, the blogger had it coming..

[Brian]

I was always under the opinion that a blog should be held to the same legal standard as any other type of publication.

If you make an allegation you better have the evidence to back it up. Making accusations without evidence doesn't hold water with magazines, books, or newspapers. Why should bloggers be above it? My opinion would be different if there was a clear message saying The content of this website is editorial opinion only or (even better) something like the into to the Daily Show on Comedy Central/CNN International. But nothing like that is there.

Basically, they used sensationalism to drive up their numbers which in turn drove up their egos which drove them to create more sensational stories and so on until their egos got so out of control that they felt "untouchable". The problem is, if they win this case then their egos will grow to record size causing them to continue the cycle of slander for numbers and probably making it worse. If they lose then they become martyrs to bloggerdom and will use that status to do the same. :(

[Leslie2005]

go to court and fight it out. Every accusation and claims has to be backed by facts and evidence.
No evidence and with just mere talk is pure slander. Then the accused is merely asking for trouble.

However if the accusations are true with facts and evidence , then Mr Jeff Ooi has opened up a can of worms......................:read2:

More to see soon.

[Brian]

However if the accusations are true with facts and evidence , then Mr Jeff Ooi has opened up a can of worms......................:read2: The problem is that he rarely does. On a couple of occasions I've seen him promise evidence, but instead of presenting it he eventually shifts the focus of the story to something else rather then the original accusation and hopes that his readers forget the original accusation. They usually do so he gets away with it.

You know what kind of animals are good at wriggling side-to-side like that...

[Leslie2005]

I am wondering if he could actually obtain such so called evidence (as claimed in some of the statements made in his blog, in reality as under the Msian govt laws some of these evidence are classified as Official Secrets Act and any individual can be charged under the Internal Security Act, detention without trial and a free stay in Kamunting Camp indefinately.

Opening up Pandora's box especially to matters which are deemed sensitive can be deemed as suicidal or gung ho in reality. Many of those failed and they have been "politically ridiculed and politically and socially assasinated plus bankrupted and at times ridiculed. This has happened before both in our country and of course across the border, via the short 1km causeway :read2:

Well its left to be seen, i'm pretty curious how would the court proceeding is going to be like..

But we do need certain individuals like him as a form of balance of power.. politics and scandals is just so funny at times. But no doubt we do need individuals like him or any others for the matter of fact to raise the level of playing field in a more equitable position. Otherwise its just one side telling everything to us, we have others who could tell us the other side of the story.

Interesting.

[kckong]

Does anyone know which postings in the 2 blogs broke the camel's back? Agree with Brian about the inflation of egos - after a while they take it to a personal level and start a running feud which gets out of control. Anyone noticed the wedding invitation post?

[limhy]

The problem is that he rarely does.....


Agree... look like the his blog is a place for him to vent his frustration and anger.... as long as he doesn't like something.

[limhy]

On the sad side, Malaysia is turning into a media controlled society..



Not too sure about that. My personal opinion is that there is slightly more freedom now (compared to during the last PM's time) judging from recent comments and articles published especially in The Sun and The Star.

One must be matured and professional enough to be responsible for what he is writing.

Cheers.

[eugene]

Not too sure about that. My personal opinion is that there is slightly more freedom now (compared to during the last PM's time) judging from recent comments and articles published especially in The Sun and The Star.

One must be matured and professional enough to be responsible for what he is writing.

Cheers.

By media control,I don't mean the major publication but more on what we have in freedom of speech. Seems like nowadays, the only source of voice we are allowed is that of the major dailies. Even that, lots of filtering occurs. Anyone heard of any news of the recently covered tol protest covered by a pm-er here?

As for Mr.Ooi himself, my personal opinion is that he deserved it, but as Brian says, either outcome would do him no harm. Such a waste.

[johnny]

My view is that the English press in Malaysia is a joke. They selectively blackout news that the big G does not want the populace to know. The only exception, in my opinion, is the Sun which gives a more balanced reporting.

The reason we have come to such a sad situation is that the puppetmaster behind the English press in Malaysia are political parties (except for the Sun) and they certainly do not want to expose their dirty underwear. But thanks to the world wide web, whatever they choose to blackout is still available FOC.

Having said that, let us not prejudge the defamation suit. These are interesting times and we may still see David come out victorious over Goliath.

[maxby]

Freedom of speech and defamation are 2 distinct issues. It will be interesting to see how the law decides....

[Brian]

Having said that, let us not prejudge the defamation suit. These are interesting times and we may still see David come out victorious over Goliath.David never thought himself to be Goliath whereas the bloggers in question (well, at least one of them) reguraly lets his ego get the best of him and they think they are untouchable giants.

[maxby]

I believe this is a positive step in the blogging world. So far, there is a lot of mistrust among the public on what bloggers write. Most people would take it as just personal rantings. It is time to separate the men from the boys so to speak.

Anybody can write about anything but if there is a consequence of accuracy in what they write, then the public will benefit from this exercise.

Now it is up to the law to decide this ground breaking case.

[seethoe]

whoever writes publicly has to hv responsibility. say whats right with integrity n sincerity....personal rantings should confined to private diaries ;)

[Leslie2005]

sometimes tell tales and stories as well as assumptions exists because there is not enough of transparency and everything is not known to the public.

being humans we love to assume.

[iamyuanwu]

I guess the blogger was just asking the questions most people don't dare to ask. And he kena for it.

At least he gave a different point of view, instead of just the biased newspapers. The newspapers are so full of trivial news of politicians lauching this and lauching that.

[eugene]

There's a trend in the replies of this thread...the pre-JO and post-JO replies.. Those that were here in PM to see JO slander PM for personal reasons don't have a single good view about him, while those who weren't here thinks JO is a public figure..

Too bad nobody heard of the other blogger...

Anyway, as maxby says, it would be a nice outcome to see the trial process..

[mohamadfazli]

Would just wait and see...

[lurker]

all this is about him defaming others or the comments written by his blog readers that are donig teh defaming?

[maxby]

There is a lot of talk in the blogsphere. It is my opinion that these discussions (http://aisehman.org/?p=32#comments) offer a very balance view of the situation.

Freedom of speech must also allow for the freedom to take redress by the aggrieved. This battle is a private battle between the bloggers and the aggrieved party. Both parties are grown-ups and are in full control of their actions. As by-standers we can't comment much but to let the legal process takes its course.

[limhy]

My view is that the English press in Malaysia is a joke. They selectively blackout news that the big G does not want the populace to know. The only exception, in my opinion, is the Sun which gives a more balanced reporting.

The reason we have come to such a sad situation is that the puppetmaster behind the English press in Malaysia are political parties (except for the Sun) and they certainly do not want to expose their dirty underwear. But thanks to the world wide web, whatever they choose to blackout is still available FOC.

Having said that, let us not prejudge the defamation suit. These are interesting times and we may still see David come out victorious over Goliath.

My personal opinion is that it's human nature that when someone mistrusts something, they will naturally be supportive of the opposite (eg. the bloggers).

If we expect balanced reporting, it is only fair that we read objectively and with balanced judgement.

[webster]

i just wandered in into his blog to try to find out what the fuss is all about. I got the feeling that this guy have a lot of things that he is unhappy about with no offer of a solution to the issues that he brought up.
Seriously, is this what got him so much fame. (serious question here coz it really dumbfounded me)

anyway, my 2 cents on this whole defamation issue.
1. I do agree with maxby that freedom of speech and defamation are two separate things. We are free to speak/blog. But the other party also have a right to take legal action if he/she feels that he/she is put in a not-so-cheery light.

2. I am not sure what body of information/misinformation that got the bloggers into this, but my personal take is that if one is publishing information to an audience, one should clearly state if the information presented are Facts (with evidence), Fiction, Deduced facts (available datae) or opinion (from observations). If one present information as fact but fail to produce sufficient evidence, then IMHO, is not right. IMHO, freedom of speech does not mean that one can simply shoot one's mouth off with no evidence or data to back it up.

3. I am also reminded of an episode some time ago where a contraversy arose when he tried share information to show that a certain member of a sertain forum is posing as someone that he is not. Even to the point of dragging the admins of the forum into the picture. In my opinion to the point of instigating the certain parties to take legal actions. So i wonder what is so different now? If one can instigate other parties to take legal actions over some misinformation/information over hte internet, then why is one complaining of unjustice when one is at the receiving end.

actually i am not trying to say who is right and who is wrong, nor am i trying to project the said blogger in a bad light, but these are the genuine questions that i am struggling with.
On one hand i see people seeing this as an Innocent david against a goliath but on the other there are camps that indicate that he deserve it.
i am split on this one, but not necessarily 50/50.

[khoking]

If I were rich enough and have time to go about, I would have sued him a year ago :dry:

[eugene]

I probably mention this before...but anybody read about the molokov cocktail being thrown into some subang resident ages back? OT byk here..

Anyway, good point webster. Now I am thinking too, though not as much as webster...

[omarjamaludin]

i'm thinking skit2 only that this is still an effort to stifle some of whatever medium freedom of expression we have left in this country - the internet...

i know the said blogger you-know-who is not very popular in PM due to the hoopla that happened a while back and some ppl think that he deserves it but i definitely think that the same cannot be applied to the other blogger Rockybru...i think if this lawsuit was only directed to Rockybru most of us here would agree 'hey this lawsuit is ridiculous'.

oh well that's all my skit2 thinking..taking off my thinking hat before i start thinkin crap he he..

[webster]

actually even if it is any blogger, i would still stick to my guns that freedom of speech and defamation are 2 things.
i think when one publishes information, one has the responsibility to state evidence, else need to make it clear to the audience that it is just an opinion based on observation.

but seriously, he seem to be unhappy with a lot of things.

[Leslie2005]

i did mentioned earlier.. when making claims one must be accountable with facts and evidence.. Unless its just angin angin..

If one is frustrated one can vent anger or frustration in many ways and of course to substantiate one's claims

[omarjamaludin]

actually even if it is any blogger, i would still stick to my guns that freedom of speech and defamation are 2 things.
i think when one publishes information, one has the responsibility to state evidence, else need to make it clear to the audience that it is just an opinion based on observation.

but seriously, he seem to be unhappy with a lot of things. yep true..sometimes that fella seems to have too much issues (esp the part where he posted invitation card of Kali's daughter).. on the other hand let's just hope rockybru has proper fact/evidence to back him up..

anyway i always assume the nature of web log is to account for one's everyday log/journal of his opinions right? which is important for public to realize a blog is not a newspaper .. so the bias will always be there.. but since it's more popular nowadays - govt tend to take more notice of it...and will try to control it as part of other medium for the masses..

[kckong]

the part where he posted invitation card of Kali's daughter

haha ironically, that one was fully backed with evidence - the card itself was the evidence. But if I were Kali, and do note the subjunctive there, I would be spewing acid at the apparent mischief.

btw, what was the nature of his tiff with pm :) ?

[hoekeat]

actually even if it is any blogger, i would still stick to my guns that freedom of speech and defamation are 2 things.
i think when one publishes information, one has the responsibility to state evidence, else need to make it clear to the audience that it is just an opinion based on observation.

but seriously, he seem to be unhappy with a lot of things.

"he seem to be unhappy with a lot of things" <--- i dont think this robs him off his freedom of speech. We should look at the ISSUE here, not HIM.

more reading http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/dr-lim-teck-ghee-its-an-attempt-to-muzzle-bloggers/

[hoekeat]

If I were rich enough and have time to go about, I would have sued him a year ago :dry:

Of course it is easier to sue the a** out of someone who dont have any political backing, rite? Who will be so dumb to sue datuk semi value who rape every single malaysian with those t0ll concession? Or sue some other politician that sells off msian petroleum for their personal gain, then make every malaysian to pay sky high price the stuff that is dig out from our own contry.

Oohh well, in the real world..... "freedom of speech" and "justice" is indeed dictated by $$$

[webster]

"he seem to be unhappy with a lot of things" <--- i dont think this robs him off his freedom of speech. We should look at the ISSUE here, not HIM.

more reading http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/dr-lim-teck-ghee-its-an-attempt-to-muzzle-bloggers/

yeah. agreed. as a matter of fact i am stating that as my opinion anwas wondering if my opinion based on my observation is shared by others. Not trying to say that he should not be unhappy but more to saying that i observed that he seem to be unhappy. just like i would say someone is happy if i were to observe that they are.

[khoking]

Of course it is easier to sue the a** out of someone who dont have any political backing, rite? Who will be so dumb to sue datuk semi value who rape every single malaysian with those t0ll concession? Or sue some other politician that sells off msian petroleum for their personal gain, then make every malaysian to pay sky high price the stuff that is dig out from our own contry.

Oohh well, in the real world..... "freedom of speech" and "justice" is indeed dictated by $$$

What are you trying to say? Innocent? The case here is defamation. Let the court judge it.

[seethoe]

What are you trying to say? Innocent? The case here is defamation. Let the court judge it.

there's a big dif between defamation and reporting truth....sensational news sometimes have alot of pepper, cili padi and other spice added in :ph34r:

[digitalartist]

<snip> Or sue some other politician that sells off msian petroleum for their personal gain, then make every malaysian to pay sky high price the stuff that is dig out from our own contry.

Oohh well, in the real world..... "freedom of speech" and "justice" is indeed dictated by $$$

That's a very strong statement.

Do you have evidence of that? Or is it heresay that you are repeating. If you had mentioned the name of the politician, you'd probably be the subject of a lawsuit yourself.
If you travel the world you will notice that Malaysian Petroleum prices are still amongst the lowest in the world. "Stuff that is dug out from our own country" has an economic price and incurs costs when it is dug out, so you cannot expect them to be given free, or below market price to Malaysians. Would you support the South African government selling diamonds "dug out from their own backyard" to South Africans for the price of glass marbles? Or the French selling Champagne to Frenchmen for the price of a bottle of Coca Cola.... just because the grapes are grown in their own back yards?


<snip>My view is that the English press in Malaysia is a joke. They selectively blackout news that the big G does not want the populace to know. The only exception, in my opinion, is the Sun which gives a more balanced reporting.

The reason we have come to such a sad situation is that the puppetmaster behind the English press in Malaysia are political parties (except for the Sun) and they certainly do not want to expose their dirty underwear. But thanks to the world wide web, whatever they choose to blackout is still available FOC.

Do you think that CNN and Al Jazeera have no "puppet masters" ?
The only difference between their puppet masters and the puppet masters of the Malaysian Press is that our Malaysian puppet masters are not sophisticated enough to hide their hands, to the extent that those publications have already lost their credibility. And you think the Sun has more balanced reporting? That was what the Star was when they first started, and look at them now.....

I have no personal quarrel with the unfortunate blogger, and in fact I'll admit to occassionally reading his blogs, but the law on defamation and redress is very clear. Your freedom of speech ends where my nose begins. If you rub someone's nose, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences. If you make it a habit to rub the noses of those who cant seek redress, you can get away with it. But getting away with it too frequently can sometimes lead you into a state of megalomania or mega-ego-mania which is bound to get back at you one day.

The world wide web is full of people who carelessly publish stories about other people based on heresay.....which was the original point I wanted to make...

[Leslie2005]

Can i repeat myself again and again, IF one is to accuse/claim/make remarks/ announce another party of another one must have evidence to substantiate ones' claim if not it is just angin angin..

Mere accusations and finger pointing is a basis for slander law suits. Unless he or she can justify one's action so be it..

But if one has no proof.. then its just mere angin angin

Issue is not abt ministers who hike up tolls or hike up fuel prices, issue here is overall the legality of one's action.. And if this action has no form or substance in it or justification it is just another mere slander case. Unless ONE has proof to present to the judge and to the prosecution officers..

So proof thy prosecution is wrong, challenge them in the Court of LAW beyond Reasonable Doubt

[hoekeat]

What are you trying to say? Innocent? The case here is defamation. Let the court judge it.

Point here is, a person is sued coz he "can be sued", they (especially Jeff Ooi) dont have any strong political backing, other than some fellow bloggers, whom, in reality, does not have that kind of backing power. I dont see NST taking case against BBC :065:

[hoekeat]

That's a very strong statement.

Do you have evidence of that? Or is it heresay that you are repeating.
:happy: Evidence u asking? :happy:


If you had mentioned the name of the politician, you'd probably be the subject of a lawsuit yourself.

Yeap, I agree if i have mentioned anyone in specific, i might be in hot soup myself too. Yeah, i dont have the political backing to prevent that to happen.


Do you think that CNN and Al Jazeera have no "puppet masters" ?
The only difference between their puppet masters and the puppet masters of the Malaysian Press is that our Malaysian puppet masters are not sophisticated enough to hide their hands, to the extent that those publications have already lost their credibility. And you think the Sun has more balanced reporting? That was what the Star was when they first started, and look at them now.....

this sounds so common, since others are dirty, it is justified for local newspaper to be dirty. Typical Msian thinking.


I have no personal quarrel with the unfortunate blogger, and in fact I'll admit to occassionally reading his blogs, but the law on defamation and redress is very clear. Your freedom of speech ends where my nose begins. If you rub someone's nose, you'd better be prepared to deal with the consequences. If you make it a habit to rub the noses of those who cant seek redress, you can get away with it. But getting away with it too frequently can sometimes lead you into a state of megalomania or mega-ego-mania which is bound to get back at you one day.

Yeap, agree wif every words u said.


The world wide web is full of people who carelessly publish stories about other people based on heresay.....which was the original point I wanted to make...

hearsay or truth.... the only difference is weather u have the full facts to back it up or not. So, a fact (e.g crime or any wrong doing), remains as hearsay if the criminal have enuf power to do the cover up job.

[khoking]

Point here is, a person is sued coz he "can be sued", they (especially Jeff Ooi) dont have any strong political backing, other than some fellow bloggers, whom, in reality, does not have that kind of backing power. I dont see NST taking case against BBC :065:

You are again shifting the point here. What does this got anything to do with BBC? What has BBC said that defame NST?

It is not about politic, but defamation. If you defamed somebody, you should be responsible for that.

[maxby]

When I first noticed the internet world back when the internet bubble was growing, I was asking myself whether this was fairy land. The businesses and venture funds were buying ideas and ventures based on clicks. This "world" seems to turn the whole physical laws of the universe upside down. Alas! it wasn't. Anything too good to be true is usually too good to be true. Eventually the bubble burst and a lot of investors lost a lot of money.

So is the internet an Uthopian of free speech, slander and information and misinformation? Certainly if you are still stuck to what has happened before the internet burst. Times have changed. Now users are more sobber and treat internet as a tool for information, communication and business. As such we need creditable information not just heresay. The laws that were not designed at the beginning of the internet age has now caught up with its development.....making this a more creditable and safer place for commerce and learning....a good thing actually.

For those who want to have free speech, speak absurd things about anybody and yet do not face any action......................there is always a place in any country for it.............the ASYLUM. This is fairyland space still exist in our society that allows us to wander at our own free will, speak what we want to speak, insult who we want to insult........and yet get away with it.

So in promoting free speech without being subjected to the laws that regulate our society, are we promoting a virtual Asylum?.......

[Freaky]

There is no free speech anywhere around the world. Not just here in boleh land. You defame anyone anywhere without it being backed up by evidence, you will be sued.

Only option is to do it in satire or comedy.

btw: Does malaysian laws allow satire and comedy to escape defamation and slander laws?

[Leslie2005]

In cases of slander/defamation another party, one has to be accountable for the actions which would undoubtedly result in the loss of integrity or probably loss of confidence in one’s character in the eyes of the public, friends or business associates.

To Slander means “ I am making accusations against you on certain issues to other parties which might have or no knowledge. It is this reason that the ultimate intention is either
1) TO cause damage (either financial, character) to the other party ( which have no knowledge)
2) TO create awareness ( On issues which are deemed of public interest) to other parties ( which have no knowledge)

So in this case, we the Malaysian public are the other parties. Yes it is our right to know what is actually going on. However in blogs there are no firm evidence to substantiate ones claim of certain issues which are deemed “Public Interest”

Do you happen to see a PDF File of the so called NSE Toll Agreement published on line, remember the possession of this document is termed “Official Secrets Act”

Do you happen to see any documents pertaining to all of the above claims by the blogger ?

Do you see evidence of accusations by the blogger being published online ? Any Movie Clips, recorded conversations, PDF Files, Govt Documents ?

These are evidence which I have mentioned earlier which is deemed vital if one is to make a fair and equitable claim. Without the above, you are nothing more than a man who would just have a typical the tarik talk at the kopitiam. There is no difference between all of us who would have done it over and over again, bitching about other people behind their backs.

Yes we need to know what is going on in this country, yes it is imperative that most of the time our government has been very secrective on many issues. It is perhaps due to the lack of transparency and openness Malaysians have a general tendency especially in certain public issues to listen to coffee shop talk rather than to base one’s claim on evidence, facts, statements, figures, records, proof.

The internet medium has given us the great advantage of being able to have access to so much information in which some would be harmful some would be beneficial and some would undoubtedly be damaging.

To make accusations, claims and other issues especially if it involves public interest is something which you DO NOT do everyday.

Imagine if you are a businessman and someone tries to defame you and starts making accusations on your wrong doings, how would you feel ? Would you be angry ?
Of Course any sensible human being would feel threatened in this case. You will lose much of your integrity and trust which you have build up all this years all because of one person’s slandering words.
In this case it is the government of Malaysia which is at stake, to make claims about your own govt without any solid evidence is likened to “treason”.

What if the accuser doesn’t have any proof to justify his claims. This is where you will know where you stand, if you know you want to challenge his claims, prove it in the court of law. Evidence is important here. In any court, a strong solid piece of evidence would define the total outcome of such cases.

There is no relation in whatsoever mentioned here abt BBC or RTM.. No relation to the latter as we are dealing with what has been going on for the past 18 months in the specific blog on the specific issues raised.

I rest my case. i just hope the legal proceedings would be fair and equitable.

[Freaky]

[i just hope the legal proceedings would be fair and equitable.

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[hoekeat]

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[hoekeat]

To make accusations, claims and other issues especially if it involves public interest is something which you DO NOT do everyday.

true. But, to do things that is AGAINST public interest is somethign that happens EVERYDAY in Msia and there is nothing that we the commoner can do about it. Oohh well, u have money, u define what "justice" is.

Aahh, btw, need to top up my Touch n Go more often nowadays.....

[tash]

Wah...Leslie should have joined Gray's Inn lah! Ironically as a legal advisor I am keeping my views to myself. I rarely publicise my own take on any issues because I like to remain an enigma. :)

[johnny]

[quote=digitalartist]




Do you think that CNN and Al Jazeera have no "puppet masters" ?




Sure they have!!! The puppetmasters are the owners, whoever they may be. But the difference is (as far as I know) in Malaysia, the owners are political parties. So whatever the paper says will obviously be in favour of you-know-who.

[johnny]

[quote=digitalartist]
And you think the Sun has more balanced reporting? That was what the Star was when they first started, and look at them now.....


quote]


I agree with you 101%. The Star was a respected paper, at least to me, during the days when the Tunku had a column called 'As I See It' if my memory does not fail me. Sadly today, the Star is a totally different animal ........ because it is owned by a political party.

[johnny]

Point here is, a person is sued coz he "can be sued", they (especially Jeff Ooi) dont have any strong political backing, other than some fellow bloggers, whom, in reality, does not have that kind of backing power. I dont see NST taking case against BBC :065:


Exactly!!!! Goliath against 2 Davids.

Against BBC? NST only made a small bark, but dare not bite.

[Brian]

true. But, to do things that is AGAINST public interest is somethign that happens EVERYDAY in Msia and there is nothing that we the commoner can do about it. Oohh well, u have money, u define what "justice" is.

Aahh, btw, need to top up my Touch n Go more often nowadays.....
You've done what I was afraid would happen. You've martyred them.

If they lose, even if it's rightful that they lose, you've martyred them.

Simply because they don't have the money of the newspaper, you've martyred them.

Just because they might not have the supposed "political connections" of the newspaper, you've martyred them.

How sad is it that someone can be in the wrong but you hold them up on a pedestal simply because it's an individual with an average income?

Think to yourself: How easy is it to target a company? By default we all view corporations as evil, faceless entities and they take advantage of that. Accuse a corporation of being "evil" and the immediate response from everyone is "YEAH!!! FRY THE B*****DS!!!!". Why? Well, large corporations have money. Money is power. They also employ tons of people and so support the lives of many individuals and families. People don't like thinking that any entity has that much say in the choices they make.

And so they are easy targets.

Here's a simple question for you: Do you believe Kho and I to be evil?

Seriously. Do you?




Answered yet?





I'll wait.....



Here's why I asked the question. One of the bloggers being sued, and you know who, when he started to lose the "popularity war" in his crusade against PM called us an evil corporation. His phrasing was something like "down with the evil corporation!" or close to it. He even published my name, addy, email, and phone. Part of the reason PM started to become unstable was due to the fact that some of his readers decided to throw the email into SPAM pools...

Are we an evil corporation? No. Are we even a corporation? No. But there thousands of suckers that think the same way you do who thought "YEAH!!! FRY THE B*****DS!!!!" when they read that.

Because of your prejudice, you've martyred them...

and empowered them to continue to twist peoples preconceptions into their "truths" and harm people like me who can't afford to fight back. So why don't you martyr me, too? I mean, he tried his best to *personally* cause harm to Kho & I and we're both just teachers. I gurantee you I make less then he does.

How about this: Elementary -school teacher with cute twins and permanently disabled by serious motorcycle accident assulted by evil blogger who he can't afford to sue for defamation.

Good enough for you? Does that make me "rightous" enough? :glare:

[tsechien]

Let them burn, I say......well at least one of them anyway......:047:

chien

[yoong]

Let them burn, I say......well at least one of them anyway......:047:

chien

burn as slow and as long as possible...

[mohamadfazli]

The fact of the matter..

Internet is not a legal vacuum. And for a natural fact, one will take responsibility of what ever he said (irregardless of the medium he use).

With respect to this particular legal case, i believe that truth will prevail. If the "bloggers" telling the truth, then there's nothing to be afraid of - and i work both ways for who ever that's suing them.

Just show the court of law the evidence and truth will be prevail.

[mohamadfazli]

Or sue some other politician that sells off msian petroleum for their personal gain, then make every malaysian to pay sky high price the stuff that is dig out from our own contry.


Irregardless of what ever u say, our petrol is relatively cheap liao. If sell at market price (i.e. without subsidy), then u would know!

[omarjamaludin]

Irregardless of what ever u say, our petrol is relatively cheap liao. If sell at market price (i.e. without subsidy), then u would know!
yep... here it cost 90p for liter of petrol..that's 6.30 ringgit per liter -crazy-
but then again i believe if our govt practice prudent spending/less corruption/shady deals we should have more money to actually stop the reduction of petrol subsidy..

itulah 2pence saya he he hee

[seethoe]

yep... here it cost 90p for liter of petrol..that's 6.30 ringgit per liter -crazy-
but then again i believe if our govt practice prudent spending/less corruption/shady deals we should have more money to actually stop the reduction of petrol subsidy..

itulah 2pence saya he he hee

i do not mind paying the free market price of US$2 if I'm earning the same figure now but in US$....u know what i mean....;) or remove the car's duty & excise and i can buy my current car at so much cheaper rate....

back to the bloggers.....i agree let truth prevails but sadly sometimes money can turns away justice....i do hope in this case justice n truth prevails....

[kckong]

I'm still curious about the tiff he had with pm... but don't tell me curiosity killed the busybody cat :)

[yonghing]

yep... here it cost 90p for liter of petrol..that's 6.30 ringgit per liter -crazy-
but then again i believe if our govt practice prudent spending/less corruption/shady deals we should have more money to actually stop the reduction of petrol subsidy..

itulah 2pence saya he he hee

a tiny PULAU country without any natural resources, even do not have enough fresh water to drink can sell their gas with the price like us, i don dare to say we boleh. oh i forgor their currency rate? gimme a break... they are selling the wan tan mee with 3dollar just like us, and ONLY 5K for a D2Xs....

[webster]

i think at the end of the day, what i am sad about is that all these things gave a bad name to the word blogging. It used to be fun to say that you keep a blog, but now the term is more associated to renegading and going against the grain kinda thing. Something akin to putting a stigma to something that used to be innocent and fun.

[omarjamaludin]

a tiny PULAU country without any natural resources, even do not have enough fresh water to drink can sell their gas with the price like us, i don dare to say we boleh. oh i forgor their currency rate? gimme a break... they are selling the wan tan mee with 3dollar just like us, and ONLY 5K for a D2Xs....
wow what pulau is this. he he

[buyid]

Hiya why so partisan one everybody.....

Let see first how does the case unfold. The bloggers are big boys... like or not the burden of proof will be on them to prove alegations are correct.

Hoekeat mentions that the real criminals in these type of cases i.e our government/media have the politcal or financial muscle to black out the proof... that maybe so but anybody who makes any accusation must be able to prove it. No 2 ways about it.

[webster]

hai bradder, lama tak nampak. pie menghilang kat mana?

[buyid]

personal reflecting in Johor Bahru... Debates on freedom of expression in this forum always leave me bemused... I just hope the truth prevails.

[webster]

now that you mentioned it, it bemuse me as well too coz i just realize recently that normally folks who hee and haw about freedom of speech are the ones that gets riled up and chastize you for saying something that goes against their beliefs. yeah saying something..

anyway, it's good to see you back*.


*it's always good to see a person who takes the trouble to clarify how to pronounce his name correctly.

[onigiri]

weee, i dunt know there is a war between the bloggers and PM

[maxby]

i think at the end of the day, what i am sad about is that all these things gave a bad name to the word blogging. It used to be fun to say that you keep a blog, but now the term is more associated to renegading and going against the grain kinda thing. Something akin to putting a stigma to something that used to be innocent and fun.

When money and ego comes into the equation, things will change....

[red406]

personal reflecting in Johor Bahru... Debates on freedom of expression in this forum always leave me bemused... I just hope the truth prevails.


came up for some air?

good to see you back...!!