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  • #16
    Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

    Originally posted by nksyoon View Post
    A great option for a 50 is the Konica Hexanon-M 50/2. Shld still be attainable at less than usd500. This was my first M lens and I used it on a Bessa R2.

    And a 50 shld be used with a high magnification viewfinder like the 0.85 M6/7/MP or 0.91 M3 or 1.0 Bessa R3M/A. Unless you also want to use wider angle lenses...
    Hey Nick, how goes? Being a Konica fan, I was thinking along the same lines as well. But an affordable Hexanon M is rather hard to come buy. And yes, I would rather have the OVF as large as possible, hence me targeting the R3M, ha ha (in this case, I would have to admit it's more so because of the price). I heard the Zeiss Ikon's OVF is possibly the brightest of all, so I might look into that one in the near future.

    What was your experience like with the 50mm Hexanon? I read that the lens is very prone to flaring and almost impossible to use without a hood.

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    • #17
      Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

      Originally posted by pointblank View Post
      I'm not sure about the going rate for the M4P (rather affordable indeed) but perhaps the Minolta CLE is even more attractively priced, being a M7 that was built 20 years ahead of it's time. The Konica Hexar is a modern version but is priced significantly higher. Bessa obviously ain't bad either.

      HKG prices ain't that cheap these days either but for the real collector, you can find certain items new in the box if that is what you are looking for.
      Yep, I was actually looking into the CLE as well by recommendation of a pal. Just that it's not easy to find, but I'll keep on the lookout.

      I just noticed that HK eBay prices are really cheap. I saw a Contax G2 w/ Zeiss Planar 45mm f/2 going for RM2.5K with free delivery. And most of the cheaper M4s are coincidentally by HK sellers as well, ha ha.

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      • #18
        Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

        I wouldn't say it was particularly bad wrt flare, I've only used it with the builtin hood. See samples in the thread in this subforum.

        This was shot directly into the sun:
        http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/...be415b6d_o.jpg

        Btw, vgood condition Hexar RFs can be had for usd700.
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        • #19
          Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

          Originally posted by nksyoon View Post
          I wouldn't say it was particularly bad wrt flare, I've only used it with the builtin hood. See samples in the thread in this subforum.

          This was shot directly into the sun:
          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/...be415b6d_o.jpg

          Btw, vgood condition Hexar RFs can be had for usd700.
          Still giving a thought on the Hexar. Cameraquest.com made a review of it, and honestly, it doesn't look very good compared to the R3M. Small OVF is one thing, and the fact that it's winder is a motorized one is a bit of a turn off. I'm not bothered too much about the rumored incompatibility with Leica M lenses, because I'll probably never be able to afford one in my entire lifetime anyways. Will evaluate this one carefully, though the reasonable price and cult status is quite attractive, ha ha.

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          • #20
            Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

            i dont own many cameras, so personally, i i ever wanted something and really sink my tooth in it, better get the best in the market which suits my budget no point having all sort of camera when you only shoots on weekends, well... almost on every weekends. I would really recommends you to get the Zeiss Ikon because of three factors, well built, M mount and its beauty. you wont find any RF with that big and bright viewfinder and somehow most all film RFs are getting ridiculously expensive nowadays. happy hunting bro.
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            • #21
              Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

              I will go with the Zeiss Ikon any day in my view. If you are lusting for that, may as well save up for it. Instead of spending on so many cameras and at the end, regretting some of your purchases. Get the one which you are most comfortable with, and that you will not feel insecure to take out and abuse too. That is how you get photos which are most compelling. I remember getting a minty M6 once, but I never used it. I was too afraid of scratching it more than the R3a I bought after it. At the end, I sold the M6 and invested in a medium format set up in the P6.

              In short, make a decision and quit thinking about it for way too long. Get the camera and start shooting.
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              • #22
                Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                Originally posted by damak View Post
                i dont own many cameras, so personally, i i ever wanted something and really sink my tooth in it, better get the best in the market which suits my budget no point having all sort of camera when you only shoots on weekends, well... almost on every weekends. I would really recommends you to get the Zeiss Ikon because of three factors, well built, M mount and its beauty. you wont find any RF with that big and bright viewfinder and somehow most all film RFs are getting ridiculously expensive nowadays. happy hunting bro.
                Thanks for the feedback brah, will keep in mind. I fully agree on the weekend shooting part. I wouldn't wanna spend upwards of 5K for an Ikon kit and use it less than 10 times a month. Maybe this is why I'm more attached to my OM-1n MD SLR. It's so much more practical and easier to shoot with it than my 35SP. In any case, I won't be able to afford an Ikon anytime soon, so I'll just sit back and observe the situation.

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                • #23
                  Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                  Originally posted by clipper79 View Post
                  I will go with the Zeiss Ikon any day in my view. If you are lusting for that, may as well save up for it. Instead of spending on so many cameras and at the end, regretting some of your purchases. Get the one which you are most comfortable with, and that you will not feel insecure to take out and abuse too. That is how you get photos which are most compelling. I remember getting a minty M6 once, but I never used it. I was too afraid of scratching it more than the R3a I bought after it. At the end, I sold the M6 and invested in a medium format set up in the P6.

                  In short, make a decision and quit thinking about it for way too long. Get the camera and start shooting.
                  Thanks much for your feedback, and I really do wish I could afford it at my present state, ha ha. I'll probably spring for smthng more affordable like the old Hexar AF once my finances are slightly better, or as you said, maybe I'll hold back the purchase and save up like crazy for the Ikon.

                  And yes, I have heard of several Leica owners (particularly the M4 and M6) who never got to take their cameras out for shooting just because they don't want to dirty it. Kind of paradoxical, since the whole point of getting a Leica is to shoot life even more, ha ha. Maybe that's the appeal of cheaper RFs like the Bessa since you don't feel so much pain if it ever get's dented, and should be relatively cheaper to repair.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                    Originally posted by OSFlanker View Post
                    Hi Rob,

                    To me, shooting film is about the lens. Get the best lens you can afford and start shooting. Whilst it's nice to own a Leica film body, it's not of paramount importance to me.

                    I have tried looking for a M4-P (and M4-2) at reasonable price here (and Singapore too) but to no avail, coz none of them are as good as the price you can find over in Hong Kong.

                    So in the end I bought a brand new Bessa R3M (from USA) and also a Zeiss Ikon ZM. BTW, are you the same fella who commented on David's Facebook photo of my Zeiss Ikon? hehe
                    So prices of camera in Hong Kong are far more cheaper than those from Malaysia and Singapore? Hmm. Because I think Singapore sells the cheapest film camera's in Asia second to South Korea. I'm not 100% sure of it though, I just base the facts from the prices I find on online forums and as well as friends spending their vacations in Singapore. A friend told me that film cameras in South Korea are very cheap if you compare it to JP, HK, KL, PH and SG.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                      Originally posted by Rob_Chan View Post
                      Thanks much for your feedback, and I really do wish I could afford it at my present state, ha ha. I'll probably spring for smthng more affordable like the old Hexar AF once my finances are slightly better, or as you said, maybe I'll hold back the purchase and save up like crazy for the Ikon.

                      And yes, I have heard of several Leica owners (particularly the M4 and M6) who never got to take their cameras out for shooting just because they don't want to dirty it. Kind of paradoxical, since the whole point of getting a Leica is to shoot life even more, ha ha. Maybe that's the appeal of cheaper RFs like the Bessa since you don't feel so much pain if it ever get's dented, and should be relatively cheaper to repair.
                      I used to have a Leica M2, less than a week after purchasing it I purchased my second Leica which is the M6(Mint condition w/ box and everything). With less than a month of using the M6 it has shown wears all over it. After a month of not using the M2 I sold it and concentrated with the metered body and 2 or 3 months of using the M6 it has shown brassing and wears almost everywhere. A year after using the M6 I can feel that the shutter is on in the verge of breaking. I don't know maybe of intensive use or the camera is just faulty but I don't care the camera served me well. I sold it and then purchased my 2nd M6 later last year which is my main camera right now. I don't know what will happen to this poor little thing. My goal with this camera is to have the film worn on it's pressure plate. Like what happened to Garry Winogrand's M4. Conclusion, Leica are not built to be kept in dry boxes. They are made to document life and capture the reality around you. So if you are decide for a camera make sure that you choose a camera that will serve you well.

                      Photo of my previous M6 months after purchasing it mint.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                        Originally posted by iver aldas View Post
                        I used to have a Leica M2, less than a week after purchasing it I purchased my second Leica which is the M6(Mint condition w/ box and everything). With less than a month of using the M6 it has shown wears all over it. After a month of not using the M2 I sold it and concentrated with the metered body and 2 or 3 months of using the M6 it has shown brassing and wears almost everywhere. A year after using the M6 I can feel that the shutter is on in the verge of breaking. I don't know maybe of intensive use or the camera is just faulty but I don't care the camera served me well. I sold it and then purchased my 2nd M6 later last year which is my main camera right now. I don't know what will happen to this poor little thing. My goal with this camera is to have the film worn on it's pressure plate. Like what happened to Garry Winogrand's M4. Conclusion, Leica are not built to be kept in dry boxes. They are made to document life and capture the reality around you. So if you are decide for a camera make sure that you choose a camera that will serve you well.

                        Photo of my previous M6 months after purchasing it mint.
                        Yo. Thanks man for sharing your experience, appreciate it much. One thing I couldn't believe about the M6, is that it's not as solid as I was led to believe, judging from your feedback. I was actually considering the M6 as my 1st ILC RF, but I changed my mind because I've always had a preference for the Zeiss name. Trying to scout for a Zeiss Ikon actually, ha ha

                        But seriously, your M6 had brassing and a shutter issue after only a year of usage? Oh man......no wonder several M6 owners I know personally do not carry these things out. If it breaks, there's no telling how it's going to get fixed.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                          Originally posted by Rob_Chan View Post
                          Yo. Thanks man for sharing your experience, appreciate it much. One thing I couldn't believe about the M6, is that it's not as solid as I was led to believe, judging from your feedback. I was actually considering the M6 as my 1st ILC RF, but I changed my mind because I've always had a preference for the Zeiss name. Trying to scout for a Zeiss Ikon actually, ha ha

                          But seriously, your M6 had brassing and a shutter issue after only a year of usage? Oh man......no wonder several M6 owners I know personally do not carry these things out. If it breaks, there's no telling how it's going to get fixed.
                          I experienced it once and hopefully I won't experience it the second time. I shot intensively using that camera maybe the time came for it to have a cla but I prefer to purchase a new one than spending $500 to $700 of CLA that's why I sold it. Go with whatever camera you like but I would suggest that you have to shoot it and not keep it inside a box. Cheers man and good luck!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                            Originally posted by iver aldas View Post
                            I experienced it once and hopefully I won't experience it the second time. I shot intensively using that camera maybe the time came for it to have a cla but I prefer to purchase a new one than spending $500 to $700 of CLA that's why I sold it. Go with whatever camera you like but I would suggest that you have to shoot it and not keep it inside a box. Cheers man and good luck!
                            So you sold a camera on the verge of breaking ?
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                            • #29
                              Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                              Yup very cheap. So that the buyer will still have an extra bucks for a CLA.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Some general questions from an RF newbie

                                If you really want a value M mount body, I always recommend the Leitz Minolta CL or Leica CL. You could probably pick one up in decent condition off eBay around RM1500 to RM2500 and this comes with the sharp Summicron-M 40mm f2. Can't beat that price really and it's the smallest Leica M body you'll ever find. Still isn't the easiest of Leicas to load but it's better than the regular M2/3/4s
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