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    Birding - Flash or no flash?

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    When using a flash for bird photography, what set-up or accessories would you recommend?

    I mean, without getting the photo to look like it came from a studio.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Hi welcome to pm,
    flash the bird, can become a hot topic.
    both welfare of the bird, and photography view can be very personal.

    some of the country(like hong kong and taiwan) were not allow to use flash for wild bird...

    i use flash for forest bird most of the time(however, i don't like to flash chick).
    just share with you a old thread:
    http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/...use+your+flash
    hope this will help.
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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    agree with Irfan..

    additional .. if can .. most of us would like to shoot NL ... but then some situation just can't
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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    I did not have the experience of using flash.
    The photo using flash is look unnatural.
    But, for me I did not against using flash in birds photography.
    Last edited by ketupuketupu; 02-11-2009 at 05:13 PM.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Thanks guys.

    That is why I was asking.

    Personally, I do not like the flashed look too.
    But like liewwk said, some situation can't be help... can it?

    So, I guess it is to saveup for bigger guns then.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    to me is very subjective. for me even flash are used it should be for light filling only or else the feathers colors of the birds will be un-natural.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bitty View Post
    Thanks guys.

    That is why I was asking.

    Personally, I do not like the flashed look too.
    But like liewwk said, some situation can't be help... can it?

    So, I guess it is to saveup for bigger guns then.
    Hi Bitty,
    About flash's image not nice, it's depend the photographer's flash skill...

    About saving the cost of flash to but bigger gun, then i don't understand, because a best flash cost only rm 1500 around, but a longer lense like 300mm f2:8 will cost you rm16k around..

    No offence, but if your bird under the tree shadow,,, the only thing you can do to is: flash...

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    agree .. i use fill for most of the time .. and normally 1/64 -1/32 .. except for the night birding
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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    1. forgot to bring flash, pic with very bad result.
    DSC_6939a.jpg

    2. pic edited with nx2 D-lighting, still look terrible.
    sbkf1.jpg

    3. Bring my sb900 in the next day, and the result you can see youself
    4018502563_b019451b4d_b.jpg

    so, to use flash or not to use?

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    in most cases, its solely depends on the situations whether to use flash or not. depends.
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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Ok, I still got lots to learn here.

    Irfan, i was thinking of using a faster len to compensate. Guess not.

    Learn to use my equipment smarter & better.
    Thanks for the link, will try the tips there.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bitty View Post
    Ok, I still got lots to learn here.

    Irfan, i was thinking of using a faster len to compensate. Guess not.

    Learn to use my equipment smarter & better.
    Thanks for the link, will try the tips there.
    Hi Bitty,

    you are welcome..
    so sorry i dare not to post my shoot for you(my shot not good enough).

    however i can show you one of the best photographer that i know
    makus,
    how he use the flash:
    http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/...ad.php?t=71387
    when he shoot without flash:
    http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/...ad.php?t=64694

    we all here to learn, to share..
    looking forward for your posting..
    regards,
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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Flash or not to flash, that is a BIG question.

    I always try to use flash for fill-in only, unless I need to freeze the moment in the very low light environment.

    You can find the photos posted by Harlequin. He is another sifu who taught me the fill-in flash and GN. He has posted some flash techniques in some of the threads here.

    Quote Originally Posted by IRFANCHOO View Post
    Hi Bitty,

    you are welcome..
    so sorry i dare not to post my shoot for you(my shot not good enough).

    however i can show you one of the best photographer that i know
    makus,
    how he use the flash:
    http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/...ad.php?t=71387
    when he shoot without flash:
    http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/...ad.php?t=64694

    we all here to learn, to share..
    looking forward for your posting..
    regards,
    irfan choo
    You're the one who taught me how to use flash
    I need to attend few more classes from you... like how to freeze the bird in-flight with flash

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Quote Originally Posted by robertccy View Post
    1. forgot to bring flash, pic with very bad result.
    DSC_6939a.jpg

    2. pic edited with nx2 D-lighting, still look terrible.
    sbkf1.jpg

    3. Bring my sb900 in the next day, and the result you can see youself
    4018502563_b019451b4d_b.jpg

    so, to use flash or not to use?
    The first picture is out of focus, and need too +EV.
    For me in this situation, I just make record shot.

    Photographer:
    I agree, whether to use flash or not depends on the situations .
    If no flash, in some circumstance just give up or make a record shot.
    Flash, more easly to get successful picture, but the light is abit unnatural.
    Unless U are good in skill.

    Birds:
    Surely don't like flash or even any disturbing behaver (include bird watching).

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    Quote Originally Posted by ketupuketupu View Post
    The first picture is out of focus, and need too +EV.
    For me in this situation, I just make record shot.

    Photographer:
    I agree, whether to use flash or not depends on the situations .
    If no flash, in some circumstance just give up or make a record shot.
    Flash, more easly to get successful picture, but the light is abit unnatural.
    Unless U are good in skill.

    Birds:
    Surely don't like flash or even any disturbing behaver (include bird watching).
    To add +EV, shutter speed will going down and the image will resulting in blur.
    For me the flash is a good choice. Furthermore, you are not that lucky to get 2nd chance for the same bird.
    surely birds don't like flash, but birds also don't like human too(bird watcher).most of the time the bird will fly away when i make a move, but surprisingly they don't care if i shot with flash as long as i stand still.

    Yes, skill to using flash is not that easy.

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    i take record shot only, so i dont use flash...can see the bird longer and see bahavior..

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    Re: Birding - Flash or no flash?

    I like using flash. Most of the time there isn't enough light or the shadows from the trees.

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